The Seige of Mt. Twitter

Discussion in 'Refutation' started by Unbeknown, Jan 9, 2023.

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  1. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    After less than month on Twitter, I already feel disenchanted with the UX.

    My main grouse is that there is no easy way to track any piece of information for long or navigate to it in a reliable way beyond a few days. It's the "infinite scroll of doom" - by design.

    It feels like a fish-market where everyone is talking all at once, over each other, on a different subject, and no one is listening. Like a big swelling sea, coversations get submerged under the next wave of tweets which gets buried the next hour. The "outdated" window is too short. I can keep raising the same objection every month and you have to keep replying. Everything is old within hours (your well--researched replies) and everything is new after a few days (my stupid off-the-cuff ignorant remarks).

    It's purposefully amnesiac design looks like built to keep people hooked, and on their toes.

    Besides the other obvious flaw - you don't know if you are speaking to a real human or a bot. Is this guy a troll from some sponsored farm or is it just your normal knuckle-head with a loud mouth, bored with his job or unemployed, and too lazy for a real hobby to while away his dreary days.

    It can make entire armies of ignoramuses or idiots feel self-important - and hence keep coming back for the kick.

    Hence the question - does it even matter?
     
  2. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    It is not necessary for mawlana to personally answer every tweet over again. As said in the beginning of the thread - people should make use of his published works.

    Deobandits have been rehashing the same centuries old arguments (dating to the rotten mu'tazili times in fact) with little to no changes in wording. Most arguments on this subject have been replied to in TKM and TAL.

    So go ahead and help yerselves.
     
  3. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    I'd recommend brothers to follow the twitter handle 'IbneKhan01" - and tag him if you find any tweets that need quick refutations. It is a very active account (usually has 6-8 tweets per day - at least). Gives informative and balanced replies - no filibustering.

    Doing a wonderful job refuting deviants ماشاء الله.

    Disclaimer: I don't know who runs that account nor its history. I ran into it in my recent foray into the ephemeral world of twitter and found it beneficial. Take your own call.

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    Other accounts that you can follow/tag (apart from @ridawipress and @Aqdas) - mawlana Mubeen Raza and Muhammad Danyal's.

    And when you follow these accounts - you will notice other good sunni accounts in your suggestions - you can tag them too.

    For example, one of the accounts recently posted a good thread on the issue of imkan kadhib - with plenty of quotes from classical scholars. Shadee Masry retweeted it.




    Conclusion:
    My personal appraisal is that the Twitter scene is not all that desolate. There are many people holding the defences for the sunni side. May Allah ta'ala reward their efforts.
     
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2023
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  4. Adham12

    Adham12 Active Member

    More from this individual…

    1616775190985248769 is not a valid tweet id
     

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  5. HASSAN

    HASSAN Active Member

    الحمد لله Shaykh aH has been tweeting aplenty on Imkan al-Kadhib recently

    For example:
     
  6. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    what exactly is he trying to say? that one tweet is not very clear. contextually, he should have said therefore it IS muhal.

    and other than a bunch of to and fro's - what's his own clear contention in one line?
     
  7. Hassan_0123

    Hassan_0123 HhhhhhhM_786

    No one on this forum can answer that except Abu Hasan who is busy with other things. SP you're wasting your time unfortunately
     
  8. AlialHanafi

    AlialHanafi New Member

    السلام عليكم

    This is one of the better known accounts on Twitter. The individual does a lot of refutations of Wahhabis and is now conversing with Sunni figures on the issue of kidhb.

     
  9. AlialHanafi

    AlialHanafi New Member

     
  10. AlialHanafi

    AlialHanafi New Member



    I believe this individual is a Salafi
     
  11. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    jabal.jpg

    the guy's a mardood fitnah monger

    we're not responsible for any random clown who pens any rubbish only because he's taken the liberty to add Qadri to his name!

    let him read up what his ulama have said of a similar blasphemous situation with ashraf ali; and let him read Ala Hazrat's Al-Jabal Al-Thanawi
     
  12. AlialHanafi

    AlialHanafi New Member

     
  13. AlialHanafi

    AlialHanafi New Member



    Just wanted to share the type of existing "rebuttals"
     
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  14. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    yes - we should prioritize our targets as we don't want to give needless publicity to non-entities.

    So look for the one-eyed kings among the blind - doesn't matter who they are or how they are perceived by the fawning gullible multitudes.

    Professors, doctors, allamahs, grand shuyukh, adab police - whoever - we can fact check em all...
     
  15. Mohammed Nawaz

    Mohammed Nawaz Corrections are always welcomed with appreciation

    And there are other things that are attributed to this book but are not present in Bahisthi Zewar. Even Abu Layth made a response video on it, but now I can't find it. Maybe he deleted it. Also, many people attack Thanvi for saying there is space in Sharia that allows men to have a coition with a girl even if she doesn't have menstruation.

    As brother said, Sunnis need to learn and do some research before they go and argue with a devbandi or a wahabi.
     
  16. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    what is the issue here? it is the fault of the sunnis for not doing their research before jumping to the point finger at deobandis, not realising that this is a standard hanafi fiqh ruling. there are a few other cases like this too. sunnis ought to research and learn prior to attempting half-baked refutation that make us look like a bunch of amateur keyboard warriors.
     
  17. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    this has already been dealt with:

     
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  18. Khanah

    Khanah Veteran

    The one thing I would really recommend is that priority is given to refuting accounts with large followings or retweets etc. There aren't a huge amount of regular posters on this forum and the ones capable of answering queries are even fewer and thus resources should not be spread too thin.

    As for what constitutes a large enough following, I'm not social media savy enough to know but would have thought it would be in the thousands.
     
  19. AlialHanafi

    AlialHanafi New Member

     
  20. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

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