Pir Hasnain Shah lectures on Tafzil

[chisti-raza]

Originally Posted by muslim 1st Sunni 2nd

Herein lies the problem you guys love to degrade an individual choosing to ignore the argument. There are scholars that are verbally scolding others just because they are simply posing questions (with utmost respect and regarding Ala Hazrat as Mujaddid) to some of Ala Hazrat's research.

I'm sure Ala Hazrat if alive would have encouraged this and provided a detailed response, this kind of scholarship dialogue is what strengthens our religion but we're finding scholars trading insults.

Your inference from what I wrote is staggering brother. You have done this time and time again (also ignoring what is being said).

Chishti raza bhai, I think muslim 1st Sunni 2nd has a valid point. since you have a problem then why not refute each point presented by the speaker. simple. for example, point one then point two then point three...in the order they are questioned etc.

[Ghulam]

Originally Posted by ghulam e Ghaus

Chishti raza bhai, I think muslim 1st Sunni 2nd has a valid point. since you have a problem then why not refute each point presented by the speaker. simple. for example, point one then point two then point three...in the order they are questioned etc.

Shah Jee why do you not put your research into writing?

a man goes to a kanjus person's house and asks for a cup of tea. the host replies, would you like it in a cup or a glass? he said in a cup...should the cup be small or big? small would do. should it be black or white? white is fine. should this white cup have flowers pictures or people pictures?...flowers pictures are fine...should it have roses or daffodils on it?.....

[kattarsunni]

Sayyid Sahib is right. He has been man enough to place his views on video. There is no point in trying to divert the points made. Now those who disagree should counter his arguments either by writing or through a similar medium.

[kattarsunni]

And neither should the counter using a pen name like some have been doing. Maybe when Mulla Sahib gets back from Makkah or wherever he is he can be notified to refute the points?

[abu Hasan]

a man goes to a kanjus person's house and asks for a cup of tea.

i would question the man's wisdom - going to a kanjus person's house to ask, when he can always go to villas of generous rich men.

why ask such questions and expect answers from students and beginners? why can't shah sahib just go to scholars and get their input? and if he disagrees with them, he could compile all these as a book.

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should it have roses or daffodils on it?.....

i wish* i could give you both roses and daffodils. rather, i was wondering about the tea: do you wish it to be strong or light? with milk or dark?

...with a little sugar, or bitter?




*because, unfortunately, i am a pauper. not just a kanjus person who has, but is not willing to give.

[naqshbandijamaati]

I have to agree with KattarSunni's post. Shah Sahib has made his own POV clear in the video and presented his arguments and, in my opinion, in a very rational and intelligent manner* and now it is upto those who disagree with his arguments to refute them point by point either in writing or by video or in any other medium.

* caveat emptor: the one thing I didn't like about the video was the singing 'Ya pound salam alayka!" I understand why he was emotional and the point he was trying to make but I think he could have done better without that. To his credit he did apologise in the video.

[Muhammad Ali]

Muslim 1st Sunni 2nd I do not want to waste to much time with you Brother but why didn't Pir Abdul Qadir put the challenge in writing when he wrote his book? He is writing the second chapter so he can maybe put it in their. As for the reply to his book its written already Umda tu Tahqeeq which Pir Abdul Qadir need to reply to.

Why shall we put others to the side? Pir Auladdin attacked Pir Abdul Qadir so why did Nisar Baig challenge him? If he can do it their why not here? Is it because Pir Auladdin wasn't a debater and they know Shah Sahib is and they won't stand a chance with them? Also when has Pir Abdul Qadir or Molvi Zahid said something to Shah Sahib's face? They sit in their own homes and throw stones from their.

[abu Hasan]

in a very rational and intelligent manner*

as you see it... and not necessarily true.

by point either in writing or by video or in any other medium.

eventually, it will be done by someone. i insist on written statements because, it is a chore to listen to speeches and to rewind a few times until one is sure about what the speaker has said. this is why i suggested that he list them down in one or two pages. indeed, it is also fine, if he can just release a transcript of that talk.

some people prefer reading to listening.