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Old 10-06-2011, 01:27 PM   #11
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Besides deobandi apologists, this is also a matter of the war the pseudo-sufis of the west are fighting against 'takfir'. It is a matter bigger than deobandi wahhabis. It is a war that has many facets. Just recently, the west and its sufis were calling for an allowance in the matter of Insult to Habeeb al-'Azam salAllahu alaihi wa alihi wa sallam. They want to create an environment that it is ok to insult RasulAllah salAllahu alaihi wa alihi wa sallam, in the name of tolerance.

Imam AHmad RiDa works are relevant to our time.
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Old 10-07-2011, 01:30 AM   #12
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Besides deobandi apologists, this is also a matter of the war the pseudo-sufis of the west are fighting against 'takfir'. It is a matter bigger than deobandi wahhabis. It is a war that has many facets. Just recently, the west and its sufis were calling for an allowance in the matter of Insult to Habeeb al-'Azam salAllahu alaihi wa alihi wa sallam. They want to create an environment that it is ok to insult RasulAllah salAllahu alaihi wa alihi wa sallam, in the name of tolerance.

Imam AHmad RiDa works are relevant to our time.
We have to re-emphasize A'la Hazrat's true teachings ragarding Shari'ah & tariqah agaist any esoteric deviations in Islam, as the the great imam wrote. "
Shariah and Tariqah (Revealed law and Observance) are not two different or opposite things. Without obeying the Shariah (Revealed Law) one cannot approach Allah. Revealed law is the collection of all the commands concerning body and soul, the spirit and heart, all the divine science and the infinite knowledge. A part of Shariah (Revealed law) is called Tariqah. It possesses cognizance so unanimously that it is conclusive and final. So all the actions and performances of the saints have to be judged in accordance with the divine Shariah (Revealed law). If they are perfectly in accordance with the said law then they are true and acceptable, otherwise they are condemnable and unacceptable.
So necessarily the absolute Shariah (revealed law) is a must. It is the centre and the orbit. It is the only standard and in fact a touch stone to test the truth and the falsehood. Shariah means the path and the Shariat-e-Muhammadia means the path followed by the Holy Prophet sall Allahu `alayhi wa sallam, and it is absolutely popular and universal and is not limited to few commands relating to physical existence of body. This is the path which is prayed for five times (in every prayer (Namaz/salat) in its every "rakat" (part of Namaz) saying "(Oh Allah) lead us to the straight path". This path is the path of steadiness and of the uprightness. It is the path of the Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad sall Allahu `alayhi wa sallam, We pray Allah to establish us firmly on this path.
Similarly Tariqah is also a path, it does not mean an approach. So if Tariqah would have been a different path from Shariah then it may not help us in approaching Allah and on the other hand it may lead us to Satan. He latter may carry us to the Hell instead of Paradise, because except the Shariah (revealed law) all other paths are false and condemnable according to Holy Quran. There is no crime if we believe that Tariqah is the same path as that of Shariah and that in fact it is a lustrous part of the latter, which can not be separate from it in any case.
One who regards Tariqah (Observance) to be separated from Shariah (Revealed law) then he regards the former to be a separate path or the path of Iblis (Allah forbid it)."
http://sunnah.org/tasawwuf/shariah_tariqah.htm
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Old 10-07-2011, 02:28 AM   #13
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The Deos are whining here:

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...al-Ghayb/page3

There objections should be answered by those who can.

I must thank faqir for having placed the work on marifah.net
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Old 10-07-2011, 12:09 PM   #14
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muzzammil husayn writes;
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this is distortion based on not taking into account the full passage. Mawlana Saharanpuri's main premise is that affirming knowledge of the unseen for any being more than what is established by clear texts is shirk, as it is tantamount to affirming intrinsic knowledge of the unseen for such a person. Based on this, affirming such unseen knowledge for the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) without evidence equates to shirk; whereas for the angel of death and satan, since it is proven by clear text it is not shirk. This is obvious from the entire passage, but Ahmad Rida and his followers distort it. This was clarified and this distortion was exposed nearly a century ago by Mawlana Husayn Ahmad Madani in al-Shihab al-Thaqib

i didn't know that deobandis refute to prove the claim of their opponents.

muzzammil says;

(a)affirming knowledge of the unseen for any being more than what is established by clear texts is shirk, as it is tantamount to affirming intrinsic knowledge of the unseen for such a person
(b)
Based on this, affirming such unseen knowledge for the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) without evidence equates to shirk
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whereas for the angel of death and satan, since it is proven by clear text it is not shirk

so, what did abu Hasan write?

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5. Knowledge of Satan and the Angel of death is proved by scriptural evidence.
[naşş e qaţýī]
6. There is no scriptural proof for the knowledge of Pride of the world
[RasūlAllāh]
7. And if one tries to prove such knowledge [of Satan and the Angel of death] for RasūlAllāh, it is refuting scriptural evidence
8. And saying so is committing polytheism.

and thus concludes that;

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Look at it whichever way you want, but Khalīl is saying that if you prove such knowledge for RasūlAllāh, you commit shirk; but the same knowledge is possessed by Satan and it is proved by naşş!
They try their tooth and nail "to explain explicit insult in favorable light" but eventually themselves commit kufr and utter the very kufr of their elders.

rest is also same balderdash.it was better for him to keep quiet, rather than proving abu Hasan's point, rather sidi Áālā Ĥazrat's objection. Thank you to prove our claim and alas! that you chose to be with tāndvi and other deobandi elders in hereafter. I pray that you realize that you are defending and yourself proving the kufriyaat of your elders, and that you fear for your akhirah and do tawbah'.
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Old 10-07-2011, 12:29 PM   #15
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The deobandi wahhabis are saying in summary:

1) Deobandi scholars have been lied about.
2) It is unwarranted takfir of them.
3) Proof is in muhannad written by saharanpuri

Preamble to Faith answers these objections already.
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Old 10-07-2011, 01:31 PM   #16
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I remember clearly that not too long ago on deobandiforum itself, the deobandi wahhabis used to claim that 'there is no such book tahzir an nass' by qasim nanautvi.

Now they are saying that Imam AHmad RiDa did not handle this work of qasim nanautvi because he feared exposing himself.
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Old 10-07-2011, 01:50 PM   #17
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this book was long awaited - many thanks to those involved in this great effort.
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Old 10-11-2011, 03:36 PM   #18
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good work. Jazak Allah aza wa jal.
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Old 10-20-2011, 04:23 PM   #19
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anyone who accuses alahazrat of making takfir without proper investigation must read this book. alhamdulillah, he was ever so precautious in this matter and it is the biggest lie that deobandis tell that he had a factory from where fatawa of kufr were issued.

may the curse of Allah be upon the liars. these people will have to answer to Allah on qiyamah for their lies and worst still, they will be asked why they continued to have love for those who insulted rasulAllah sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam.

why have muslims become so shameless that they are able to withstand clear insults against rasulAllah sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam?

premable to faith is a wake up call for every muslim and it makes us evaluate our priorities. do our allegiances lie with Allah and His beloved or with someone else?
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Old 11-03-2011, 01:54 PM   #20
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Assalamualaykum

do I have permission top put this on the Ahlus Sunnah Website ????

Wasalam
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