Murids getting into states of wajd on meeting their shaykh [video]

[y_r]

I didn't get that info from YaNabi.com (http://www.yanabi.com), but rather from the Ahle Sunnat Website (http://www.ahlesunnat.net). In which case I think there has been a slight miscalculation on your part.

[abu Hasan]

Wadood i find it very insuting that you call Syed Turbal-ul-Haq Sahib of Karachi "chidish" or "silly yanabi comments".

it is not fair either to accuse wadood of insulting our scholars. he 'assumed' it and obviously assumed it wrong. it does not mean he insulted shah sahib.

i have used the word fallacy so many times now, that i am embarrassed using it one more time.

[Abu Fadl]

But brother, the comment was by Shah Sahib so to use words like that for his comments is disrespectful. When wadood stated the source of the site himself (no one referenced the site but him), he obviously visited it and seen who the comment was by.

[abu Hasan]

But brother, the comment was by Shah Sahib so to use words like that for his comments is disrespectful. When wadood stated the source of the site himself (no one referenced the site but him), he obviously visited it and seen who the comment was by.

i think it is fair to give wadood the benefit of doubt. he might not have made his careless comments if he knew that this information comes from shah sahib.

in hindsight, it looks insulting, but i don't think he ever meant to do that. however, yes. he should not have shot off his mouth before making proper investigation.

[y_r]

Brothers, I think we should observe Husn-e-Zan and not take action against respected Brother Wadood, as I personally don’t feel he intended his post(s) to be perceived the way they where, his posts are normally quite resourceful and knowledgeable.

Could I ask why some people here have limited tolerance?

[naqshbandijamaati]

Originally Posted by abu Hasan

come off it, asif. you say all kind of nonsense all the time.
please do not think that we are in las vegas or somewhere like that; or that the internet and youtube is our only source of islamic information.

and who are you to judge? and i have a higher opinion of you brother than you evidently do of everyone else. hubris led to iblis' fall, remember?

don't be so deluded that reading a [probably] flawed translation of shakh al-akbar makes you a gnostic and you can say what you like and chide people for being unable to comprehend the lofty points of tasawwuf.

i am not so arrogant, brother, to think of myself as a gnostic. that is just your fevered imagination getting carried away as usual in its self-righteousness. please can you point to any of my posts ever--and i have been posting on sunni forums for years--where i have even hinted that i have some special spiritual station? and even if you meant it as a metaphoric statement and not literally, i am not so stupid as to think that reading a book of a sufi master will make me a gnostic! the same goes to fiqh too. reading a book by ala hazrat doesn't make you ala hazrat.

but i value your friendship and i think perhaps it will be best for all if i was to leave the forum. i tried to find a button to remove my account but was unable to do so. maybe you can remove me, being an administrator? jazak Allahu khayran.

Maybe i will come back again at some later time in my life if i am worthy enough.
wa alaykum as-salam to everyone on here. please forgive me if i have ever said anything to offend you at any time.
Nara e Ghawthia! Ya Ghawth al Azam!

[abu nibras]

sidi asif,

inshaallah there is no reason for anyone to leave, if someone disagrees with you on something and you think that you are right then you have every right to believe so, if you are grounding your belief strongly on truth.

as long as we learn from one another, from our mistakes and are sincere about it, these interactions should all be good.

it is easier said than done, but one should look at criticisms objectively, the easiest way is to quit, we dont want to stop those who come with hidden agendas here on our forums, why would we want to see you go, you being one of us.

was salam

--abu nibras

[Noori]

salam,

cool down ya akhi! tolerance, tolerance, tolerance-most of us are lacking this quality. though I personally feel that sidi abu Hassan was bit harsher to you and he could have criticized in a milder tone, but on the other hand you too have posted here several times which was unacceptable, disgusting, and rejectable.

whatever sidi aH said was to correct you, perhaps he was piqued by your repetitive odd posts, or he chose a different tone to correct your point of view this time.

but in all cases, brother, take it positive. if you think this forum is not beneficial to you, you certainly may decide to quit, otherwise hang around and try to contribute good and enjoy good, rest can be ignored.

[Ibn Amin]

As-salamu 'alaykum

Saifis are recognized by many of the greatest sunni 'ulama in Pakistan of the time. A book has been published with quotes from dozens of 'ulama about the Saifis, who are naqshbandis. I will put more info about this, insha Allah.

Shaykh al-Hadith 'Abd al-Hakim Sharaf Qadri (rahimahullah) was saifi. Mufti Ghulam Farid Hazarwi and his brothers (all muftis) are very much attached to the saifis and (I think) all of them are murids there. Also a new fatwa from Shaykh Turab al-Haq Qadri is included in the book in the favor of the saifis.

Allah Hafiz

[CHISHTI]

...."Shaykh al-Hadith 'Abd al-Hakim Sharaf Qadri (rahimahullah) was saifi"...so what's with the Qadiri at the end of Hazrat Sahibs name...shouldn't it be saifi naqshbandi?? Are you sure they were saifi brother?