the actions of Allah

[Aqdas]

i am uncomfortable with this line which i read on another forum:

"May Allah steal from me all that steals me away from him"

can the learned brothers clarify if it is ugly or not?

[Qasim Hanafi Ridwi]

Obviously the word steal cannot be used for Allah Tabaarak wa Ta'ala as stealing is a negative thing. Allah munazahun 'anil 'uyoob Allah is free from all negative attributes and defects. Stealing is a defect.

[abu nibras]

deprive

[Aqdas]

yes, deprive sounds fine.

jazakumAllahu khayran.

[abu Hasan]

why not protect or prevent or vouchsafe?

[Unbeknown]

any thoughts about this thread?
http://www.sunniport.com/masabih/showthread.php?t=3243

As per Bahar-e-Shariat, everything besides Allah's essence and attributes is 'haadis', so what about HIS (Azzawajal) actions?

[Unbeknown]

Dr. Jamal Farooq:

As per ahlussunnah, Allah’s dhaat (essence) and sifaat (attributes) are pre-eternal (qadeem) but actions that are related to hawadis (contingent things) are haadis (contingent).

This ‘relation’ of Allah’s attributes to the mumkinaat/hawadis (possible/ contingent) can neither be called qadeem nor haadis because qidam (pre-eternity) and hudoos (contingency) are attributes of wujood (existence) whereas ‘relation’ is not a thing having independent existence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkYUU2d_Abg

I have translated the above lines from urdu. This was sent to me by a mufti. Have i understood right?

[Unbeknown]

Shaykh abu Adam seems to think otherwise

The answer is that Allah’s actions are not something that have a beginning or an end. Allah’s actions are not like our actions. His actions are not sequential or bounded by time.

Note that the actions of Allah Himself are not describable, as they are actions not bounded by time. They are actions without a how (bilaa kayf).

Moreover, if someone said that Allah’s actions have a beginning, then he is saying that they did not exist and then came into existence. This means that the would need a creator, and if the action of creating has a beginning, then that action would also need a creator, and this would lead to saying that the act of creating anything in this world would be preceded by an infinite amount of acts of creating, and this is impossible. The only solution is to say that Allah’s act of creating does not have a beginning.

[Unbeknown]

Discussed it with another young aalim.

He says, connecting any haadis to Allah's dhaat or sifaat is inappropriate and as af'aal ultimately refer back to HIM(azzawajal), they cannot be haadis. He says that this is the opinion of Asharis and Maturidis both.

so he seems to be agreeing with shaykh nauruji.