only imamahs without knowledge

[abu nibras]

Originally Posted by The Emir

If Hydrabadi Maulvi didn't receive anything then he's made a complete fool of himself and if ever the lights come on he will be ultra embarassed and it will take him many moons to restore his trust. If he took money for his antics at least he got something for being foolish. Brother Abu Hasan has done the maths - all he had to do was do a quick calculation before taking to the stage and he would have realised that what he had been told was absolute fabrication.

ah , so it means another reason could be that he did not calculate, it is better than your casual comment where you missed this part and accused him of taking money.

[naqshbandijamaati]

i like AH's mathematical analysis but couldn't someone, say one of TuQ's acolytes, use the same sort of analysis to o discredit the various stories of the early great scholars and imams. For example, I have seen and heard Wahabis use this kind of approach to say it was impossible for Imam e Azam to have prayed 1000 nafl a day or that every Ramadan he finished 61 khatams of the Koran! (I'm not comparing TuQ to the Imam but his followers undoubtedly will...see above comments about karamaat!)

BTW, which revolution has the Qaid e Inqilaab brought?

re: money and mullahs--like most human beings mullahs too can be bought...
sad but true.

[Qasim Hanafi Ridwi]

The man from Hyderabad cannot be so easily be ignored. The Nizamia institue has been well known to have different views to the majority of the scholars of the Ahl us Sunnah in Hind. Dr Tahir ul Qadri's hetrodox heresies have been refuted by the scholars for a long time it is not a new thing at all. I personally think it boils down to hasad we all know where the 'ilm and taqwaa is in Hind. May Allah Tabaarak wa Ta'ala guide them aameen.

[Ghulam]

How do you measure taqwa?

[The Emir]

abu nibras - i don't want to condescending but read what I actually wrote:

'I wonder how much the Maulvi was paid to praise TuQ'

Its a bit different to saying he has definately taken money

[chisti-raza]

Yes, Emir I agree with you. This is how he was paid:

Originally Posted by abu nibras

and gave him a larger platform and title.

[The Emir]

Someone should contact this Maulvi and seriously provide him with the above calculation and ask him for his comments.

@ Naqshbandijamaati

People wonder how the Miraj was done in a matter of seconds or how Mowla Ali (Blessing Be Upon Him) used to complete reciting a whole Quran during the time it would take to get on to his horse....etc etc. Our issue isn't with the wahhabis who can point to our pious prdecessors all they like as it makes not a jot of difference, its with the fabrication and mockery of religion by TuQ and his supporters who are trying to elevate him so much that they are losing leave of their senses.

[abu Hasan]

For example, I have seen and heard Wahabis use this kind of approach to say it was impossible for Imam e Azam to have prayed 1000 nafl a day or that every Ramadan he finished 61 khatams of the Koran!

you are right.

firstly, we believe in karamats too and those people about whom such things have been said will be classified as karamat; the brother has already pointed out this.

yet, in the case of imam a'azam's 61 khatm it is even rational and has even been empirically verified. a person well-versed with qur'an can recite a juzu' with tajwid in 12-13 minutes. that is about 5 juz' an hour; and this would take about 6-7 hours. just you ask yourself how many hours you sit glued to the TV during world cup matches. and in those days, even common people did not have as many distractions - and the practice of great men like imam a'azam is beyond description.

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while theoretically, you are right that tahir could have this miracle of time warp, [to be consistent with our own framework,] reality does not reflect such erudition. is tahir a hafiz of the qur'an? and a hafiz of the SaHiHayn? if a person claims that he is a marathon runner and begins to pant after the first 100 meters, it is natural that you doubt his claim. this does not mean that nobody can run marathons.

watch his speeches and list how many hadith he can narrate extempore - whether in arabic or in translation. i am just a beginner, but even i find his arabic rudimentary - not the kind one would expect from someone who has read 400,000 hadith of the most eloquent arab and most eloquent human born. sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.

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secondly, this is not mere reading/recitation - it requires examination and thought; 2/3 minutes per examination is a ridiculously low estimate. as far as i know, no muhaddith claimed such speeds.

if tahir sahib is claiming a miracle, it is another story. but still, he cannot have the miracle of being fast but utterly inaccurate; or fast but uninstructed. still if this is true, then he should be open for verification.

for the sake of argument: would you accept it if i said that i went through 400,000 hadith in 7 years? if you have reservation, why so? what if i present dreams to bolster my case?

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the other small quirk, a student of hadith may wonder about is: does the extant corpus of hadith in our times have 400,000 hadith?

[Unbeknown]

Originally Posted by abu Hasan

ironically, tahir has become a touchstone of sorts - anybody who praises him loses credibility automatically.

Originally Posted by AbdalQadir

one thing the qardinul and his buddies on the common word have done is that unwittingly they have shown the world who the sell outs are, the 'scholas for dollas' - and who really are the servants of Allah's deen!

Originally Posted by abu Hasan

in fact, anyone who supports tahir only exposes his own ignorance.

Originally Posted by kattarsunni

Madani Miah done takfir of Jilani Miah based on issues of principle.
There are many who do not follow Madani Miah (hafizahuAllah) even though he is correct.
Now some people are trying to defend Tahir.

End of days.....

An apt metaphor would be the tidings given by our Nabi (may He be whelmed in Peace) about an earthquake, to occur when Al-Qiyamah is nigh, that shall cast all hypocrites out of Madinah.

Wallahua'lam.

[Ibn.ali]

Hazrat Moulana Mufti Khaleel Ahmed Sahab one of the foremost ulema of hyderabad and Head of Jamia Nizamiya publically criticized the professor during one of the recent program held at Darussalam.

When the crowd began to realize that Mufti Sahab was speaking against the professor for his antics they started shouting slogans to suppress what he was trying convey.

I am trying my best to get hold of this programs recording, as soon as I have it InshaAllah I will upload it.

After this incident my love for shaykh Khaleel Ahmed Sahab has increased by ten folds. This is a clear indication that ulema e haq still exist and are not afraid to speak out openly.

Common folks shaksiyat parasati of the professor and blind following is at its peak in Hyderabad.

When I questioned the credibility of his 25,000 haadith compilation, I was shocked to know that they consider it as his ‘’Karamat’’.

the Ulema E Haq have begun to stand and face it head on, inshaAllah the professors real face will soon be exposed to common folks.