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Old 05-07-2012, 11:20 AM   #11
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brother .... this might help you little bit. listen sincerely ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...=lt4JV06WvHQ#!
seems to be a latest speech, but he is repeating the same lies that he has spewed before and with same shamelessness without quoting the exact words of ahadith, and mixing his own false aqeedah as if those words are from ahadith sharifah. those references have already been dealt with in Minhaji Fata Morgana. show us where did RasulAllah sallallaho alaihi wasallam say that. don't give us book titles and their page numbers, simply scan or type the text and highlight the phrase or sentence that says what padri is mentioning and make a YouTube video or post it here.

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Old 05-07-2012, 11:59 AM   #12
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brother .... this might help you little bit. listen sincerely ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...=lt4JV06WvHQ#!

Do you think any Muslim can ever even think that the Holy Prophet would condone polytheism, let alone allow it to continue and flourish? This is the worst thing that one can accuse the Holy Prophet of.

The proper Sunni Aqeedah is that if one believes that the Holy Prophet did not complete his mission as he was supposed to do, the person would become a Kaafir. And accusing the Holy Prophet of condoning polytheism is by far much worse than this.

I have no doubt about Dr Tahir's apostasy.
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Old 05-07-2012, 05:23 PM   #13
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it is ironic that the book tahzibu'l kamal is displayed ostentatiously behind him and so also umdatu'l qari and khalil ambhetvi's sharH of abu dawud, badhl al-majhud.

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here is a man who not only lies shamelessly, but even tries to attribute his filthy ideas to RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam - even the many people who are labelled as 'kazzab' in books of rijal, did not dare to say it like this.

and if tahir lived two hundred years ago, common people would kick him out wherever he went and would have beaten him with their shoes and pelted stones at him. scholars would have written bluntly: "this kazzab, dajjal - may Allah ta'ala cleanse the earth from his likes.."

yet, in our times, here is a man who ruthlessly manipulates the hadith - ON RECORD - but people are wont to find 'excuses' for this dajjal.

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he mixes up two delegations to prove his filthy aqidah.
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interestingly, his army of researchers have not been diligent enough. the PDF version of tabaqat ibn sa'ad has this quote on page vol.1/page356; and the printed version is p.307. the snippet is included.

second: is zad al-ma'ad. since it is exactly on v.3/p.629 as tahir cited, i assume we are looking at the same edition. and if only his researchers had seen the next page:
A (Jewish) rabbi said: “O Muĥammad, do you wish that we worship you, just like the Christians worship Ýīsā ibn Maryam?” A man amongst the [visiting] Christians from Najrān asked: “Is that what you wish O Muĥammad? And is it this, towards what you invite us?” RasūlAllāh SallALlahu alayhi wa sallam said: “I seek Allāh’s refuge from worshipping anyone [or anything] other than Allāh táālā or from commanding others to worship anyone [or anything] other than Him. Allāh táālā has not sent me with that, nor has He commanded me to do so.”

[zad al-ma'ad, 3/630]
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tafsir qurtubi v5/p10
They entered [the masjid] to meet RasūlAllāh  after the Ásr prayer - and they were wearing ĥibarah garments – fine and silken gaberdines – and mantles. The companions of the Prophet  said: “We have never seen such a delegation, of such adornment and grandeur.” The time for their prayer was imminent, so they stood praying in the Masjid of the Prophet SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam facing east. The Prophet SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam said: “Leave them.” Then, they stayed there for days debating RasūlAllāh SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam about Sayyidunā Ýīsā alayhi's salam, claiming that he is the son of God and other ugly and incoherent ideas and RasūlAllāh SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam refuted them with proofs, but they would not see the truth. More than eighty verses of Aāl Ímrān from the beginning were revealed at this juncture.
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Old 05-07-2012, 05:44 PM   #14
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i just listened to the rest of the clip - this man has no religion. he has sold his soul to shayTan. he shamelessly distorts aayat and aHadith for his stinking aqidah. the dajjal committed a mistake and to justify this, he is distorting quran and hadith.

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Old 05-07-2012, 06:48 PM   #15
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@4.16: tabaqat al-kubra ibn sa'ad 1/357

@4.20: ibn qayyim in zad al-ma'ad 3/629

@4.24: imam qurtubi in al-jamiy li ahkami'l quran 4/4
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@5.00: our christian brothers

@6.35: may Allah ta'ala give them guidance to read books of biographies of the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.

@6.46: what kind of an image of our religion are we presenting to our coming generations?

@7.24: RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam has come as a bearer of glad-tidings and a warner to the entire universe; regardless, whether such a person accepts islam or not, the Master sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam is a Messenger to him.

@7.30: such a person is in the ummah of RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.

@7.33: one who recites the kalimah of islam, is in the ummah of acceptance; and one who has not recited the kalimah of islam, is on another religion, is in the ummah of invitation (ummat e da'wat); but he is included in the ummat-e-muhammadi. (he is the ummah of Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam). he will be considered as ummat-e-da'wat (ummah-of-invitation) because for him, there is an invitation by RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam - was, is and shall remain so until judgement day.

@7.54: because islam is a religion of invitation and preaching (da'wat o tabligh)
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Old 05-07-2012, 07:17 PM   #16
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hahahaha - on the side, on related videos it says

"First Manazara of Shaikh ul Islam Dr Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri when he was in class 9th"
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Old 05-07-2012, 07:57 PM   #17
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brother .... this might help you little bit. listen sincerely ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lt4JV06WvHQ#!

This speech by jhangvi was before the wembley kufr.. The upload date says 15 June 2011.
Trying to present the truth to the minhajis is truly futile.
You would have more chance drawing blood from a stone.
Their hearts seem to be sealed and covered in darkness by constant exposure to this kazaab.
May Allah protect us from such deceivers and enemies of Islam.

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Old 05-07-2012, 09:56 PM   #18
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seems to be a latest speech, but he is repeating the same lies that he has spewed before and with same shamelessness without quoting the exact words of ahadith, and mixing his own false aqeedah as if those words are from ahadith sharifah. those references have already been dealt with in Minhaji Fata Morgana. show us where did RasulAllah sallallaho alaihi wasallam say that. don't give us book titles and their page numbers, simply scan or type the text and highlight the phrase or sentence that says what padri is mentioning and make a YouTube video or post it here.

man shakka fi kufrihi faqad kafar.

this is old speech of year 2009.

as far as "Minhaji Fata Morgana" is compilation of Half baked maulvi who has left his own aqeedah of ahlu sunnah just for the sake of HASAD which he inherited by his elder mullah ...
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Old 05-07-2012, 09:58 PM   #19
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i just listened to the rest of the clip - this man has no religion. he has sold his soul to shayTan. he shamelessly distorts aayat and aHadith for his stinking aqidah. the dajjal committed a mistake and to justify this, he is distorting quran and hadith.

la Hawla wa la quwwata illa billah.


you guys have truly inherited the salafi attitude.

new era of barelvi salafism ..
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Old 05-07-2012, 10:50 PM   #20
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as far as "Minhaji Fata Morgana" is compilation of Half baked maulvi who has left his own aqeedah of ahlu sunnah just for the sake of HASAD which he inherited by his elder mullah ...
really? would you mind to prove it?

will appreciate if you or your murtad pardri can quote the hadith verbatim, it is not a difficult thing to do. would you mind?

if you can't do than fear for your akhirah.

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you guys have truly inherited the salafi attitude.

new era of barelvi salafism ..
but according to your padri there is no dispute in usul with actual salafis, it is just fru'i ikhtilaaf with them, then why frowning upon your so called salafite barailvies.

brother we don't ask you for anything but only to fear, fear, and fear for you own iman.

prove us wrong, and we don't ask anything except a verbatim quote that can prove what padri says.
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