Referring to the ‘masjid’ of the Ahl e Hadis (Wahhabis) as a gurdwara

[Qasim Hanafi Ridwi]

The ruling on referring to the ‘masjid’ of the Ahl e Hadis (Wahhabis) as a gurdwara

Al Istiftaa the question;

What do the scholars of the deen and the muftis jurist of the blessed shariah say about this issue.
I invited some scholars from India to my house (for food). There were also some residents present. At night the sound of the adhaan of ‘Ishaa was heard from Muhammadi Masjid which belongs to the Ahl e Hadis (Wahhabis), upon which a visitor said that the adhaan is being called. A resident visitor said that it is from the gurdwara. What is the ruling on this statement?.

Please answer the question in light of the Qur’an and Sunnah.

Questioner: Ahqar Muhammad Yunus Shakir al Qadri Rizvi.

Al Jawaab the answer:

A masjid is the place of worship of the Muslims. The place of worship of the non Muslims is not a masjid, whether they recite the kalimah or not. Just like the building made by the Qadianis is not a masjid. Likewise the building of the Ghair Muqallids who call all the Muslims of the world mushriks (polytheists) without any basis. The building constructed by them is not a masjid. So that person that referred to it as gurdwara in meaning it is correct, because it is not a place of worship of the Muslims. The person did not say anything about the adhaan he only referred to the place from which the sound of the adhaan was coming from.

wAllahu Ta’ala A’alam
And Allah the Exalted knows best


Mufti A’azam Pakistan ‘Allamah Mufti Waqaar ud Din al Amjadi ‘alaihi al rahmah writes in Waqaar ul Fatawaa Volume 2 page 258.

[AbdalQadir]

I might attract a lot of antagonism from my Sunni brothers here, but really guys, it's about time we approached this issue with some level of critical analysis and common sense, rather than blindly circulating the fatawa of the elders as either blanket statements (either in direct words or implicitly through attitudes) or in a fashion in which they will only attract animosity from others.

This is the age of senseless sheeple who are sheeple regardless of the marks they carry.

Throwing wahabis in the same basket as the qadianis and calling their masajid as "gurudwaras" is terribly counter-productive to Ahle Sunnat for these times.

The wahabis of today are not the same as the wahabis of the yesteryear when some of our esteemed elders issued those fatawa. They are simply not a homogeneous lot, just as the "Sunnis" of today are not and so many of theirs (wahabis/deos) club us together with jahil mardood tahiris!

A lot of the sheeple who call themselves "wahabi" in these times are actually mufawwid on matters of 3aqaid and differ in matters of furoo3 on things like Milad and Fatiha etc. from what they perceive to be adherence to Sunnah and a maslaha point of view. Indeed, when it comes to dealing with the kuffar like hindus, sikhs etc., many such supposedly "wahabi" sheeple are closer or properly following the Shari3ah and unwittingly closer to the fatawa of Ala Hazrat than so many of the so-called Sunnis of our times who will gladly play the hindus holi or exchange sweets on diwali or feel great pride in mingling with the sikhs and trip over themselves to get their kids into "convents" brown-nosing christian priests, and then proudly stating that their daughters are superb marriage material because they are "convent educated"!

It's about time we taught "Sunnis" Sunni 3aqaid rather than this blind political point scoring. I wonder how many everyday common "Sunnis" can even explain the REAL reasons of WHY the wahabis deserve their scorn. Believe it or not, it even includes many masjid mawlanas I have personally witnessed! They'd gladly announce they're Sunnis but in some cases are not even aware of major Sunni scholars (and yes Ala Hazrat's too) stances on certain issues! In the same vein, a lot of the "wahabi" local mawlanas too are blissfully unaware of the garbage that people like ibn taymiyah, ibn abdul wahab, ismail paleed, and thanvi preached!

Ironically thanks to tahiris, a lot of the Sunni sheeple are super-soft on the rafidi ghullat who still haven't changed their deceptive ways!

My point is just that we don't just copy paste fatawa from a 50-100 years back which addressed the ground realities of those times, but rather use the works of the elders as references and address the ground realities of OUR times, lest we shove our feet down our throats!

[Abdul Rehman Butt]

Originally Posted by AbdalQadir

My point is just that we don't just copy paste fatawa from a 50-100 years back which addressed the ground realities of those times, but rather use the works of the elders as references and address the ground realities of OUR times, lest we shove our feet down our throats!

Time to get real then,

http://youtu.be/qmUUnU_Z7VQ

[chisti-raza]

Is he for real?!

[Qasim Hanafi Ridwi]

Originally Posted by AbdalQadir

I might attract a lot of antagonism from my Sunni brothers here, but really guys, it's about time we approached this issue with some level of critical analysis and common sense, rather than blindly circulating the fatawa of the elders as either blanket statements (either in direct words or implicitly through attitudes) or in a fashion in which they will only attract animosity from others.

This is the age of senseless sheeple who are sheeple regardless of the marks they carry.

Throwing wahabis in the same basket as the qadianis and calling their masajid as "gurudwaras" is terribly counter-productive to Ahle Sunnat for these times.

The wahabis of today are not the same as the wahabis of the yesteryear when some of our esteemed elders issued those fatawa. They are simply not a homogeneous lot, just as the "Sunnis" of today are not and so many of theirs (wahabis/deos) club us together with jahil mardood tahiris!

A lot of the sheeple who call themselves "wahabi" in these times are actually mufawwid on matters of 3aqaid and differ in matters of furoo3 on things like Milad and Fatiha etc. from what they perceive to be adherence to Sunnah and a maslaha point of view. Indeed, when it comes to dealing with the kuffar like hindus, sikhs etc., many such supposedly "wahabi" sheeple are closer or properly following the Shari3ah and unwittingly closer to the fatawa of Ala Hazrat than so many of the so-called Sunnis of our times who will gladly play the hindus holi or exchange sweets on diwali or feel great pride in mingling with the sikhs and trip over themselves to get their kids into "convents" brown-nosing christian priests, and then proudly stating that their daughters are superb marriage material because they are "convent educated"!

It's about time we taught "Sunnis" Sunni 3aqaid rather than this blind political point scoring. I wonder how many everyday common "Sunnis" can even explain the REAL reasons of WHY the wahabis deserve their scorn. Believe it or not, it even includes many masjid mawlanas I have personally witnessed! They'd gladly announce they're Sunnis but in some cases are not even aware of major Sunni scholars (and yes Ala Hazrat's too) stances on certain issues! In the same vein, a lot of the "wahabi" local mawlanas too are blissfully unaware of the garbage that people like ibn taymiyah, ibn abdul wahab, ismail paleed, and thanvi preached!

Ironically thanks to tahiris, a lot of the Sunni sheeple are super-soft on the rafidi ghullat who still haven't changed their deceptive ways!

My point is just that we don't just copy paste fatawa from a 50-100 years back which addressed the ground realities of those times, but rather use the works of the elders as references and address the ground realities of OUR times, lest we shove our feet down our throats!

People need to look how our Aslaaf kiraam ridwaanullahi 'alaihim ajma'ien dealt with the innovators. I suggest that the book al Shifaa and the works of Imam Ahmad Rida rahimahullahu Ta'ala be referred to see Fatawa al Haramain.

We need to revive and spread the works of our Aakaabir.