Murids getting into states of wajd on meeting their shaykh [video]

[Ibn Amin]

As-salamu 'alaykum

First Shaykh al-Hadith (rahimahullah) was qadri. Afterwards he gave bay'a in the saifi silsila and became naqshbandi (too). This is why fx Allama Ghulam Rasul Saidi and other ulama mention Shaykh al-Hadith (Rahimahullah) as "Sharf Qadri thumma Naqshbandi".

Allah Hafiz

[Sabri]

As-salamu 'alaykum

Could someone please explain what exactly wajd is? I do understand when and why it acures, but I don't understand the background of it; is it some kind of noor or something? I myself have experinced a high level of affection of certain naat, but never to the point where I'd comepletely lose control of myself like people in wajd do.

The reason why I started to wonder this much about this subject is that I've heard of madrassas in Pakistan where the shaykh would make women go in wajd too, and one of the women once broke her neck while in wajd. About the same pleace I heard how kids would make those in wajd bump into each other etc. A girl from this madrassa even ask people to turn a naat off as she'd go into wajd otherwise.

Ajeeb...

So I thought to myself how this could be something that would connect you and prophet Muhammad (salla Llahu 'alayhi wa sallam) while these people clealy don't understand the seriousness of it.. How can they attain this level of spirituality without any deeper understanding of tasawwuf?


Jazakumu Llahu khayr.

[SuleimanalMuslim]

It is not an end and not saught for. The perfect Shaykh has passed all of these states. Correct me if I am wrong.

Was-Salam

[Sabri]

Excuse me? "It is not an end and not saught for"? Im not sure I understand.

[naqshbandijamaati]

i think sidi suleiman means that the obtaining of wajd and other mystical states is not the ultimate goal of the sufi path. that is marifat of Allah Ta´ala and becoming Fanafillah and Baqabillah so that one can say like Huzoor Ghawth al Azam, "I do not even eat a morsel until Allah tells me I can eat!" Annihilation is the Goal.

[Abu Fadl]

This is a bit shocking, Sunni scholars (and I have heard myself the ones in Karachi say the saifis are misguided) yet Moulana Sharf Qadri summa Naqshbandi became a disciple in their order?!?

nj, don't leave the forum on the basis of disagreement. No one is a scholar here who can excommunicate you.

[sunnistudent]

Initially there was a rumour about naqshbandi-saifi silsila in pakistan. Upon inveestigation ,many sunni scholars gave fatwa in support of saifi silsila.

Scholars of saifi silsila gave in writing that they agree with hussmal harmayn of Ala Hazrat.

[Kashf al-Hijab]

Ritual and Charisma in Naqshbandi Sufism:Interesting article by a western academic on the Saifi-Naqshbandi Tariqa

[Aqdas]

nj, don't leave the forum on the basis of disagreement. No one is a scholar here who can excommunicate you.

that post was made over 2 years ago...

[naqshbandijamaati]

thanks for the academic article kashf bha. it is v. interesting (but very amusing trying to see these orientalists try and place tassawuf in their intellectual framework. they have no idea...!)